He is here somewhere, hidden like an Indian Waldo in a throng of bleary undergrads and Palo Alto ladies who inspect flowers and jewelry from behind sunglasses as big as fishbowls. Beautiful, interchangeable machines slide in and out of the shopping center’s lot, their purring engines a paean to balmy Saturday mornings and money to spend. Then I see him, resting lean and languid against a white Camry. I’ve shown up expecting a ride to a party, but Gaurav Rajani looks dressed for a funeral.
He landed on the California coast in 2002, riding a shining wave of Indian immigration. It wasn’t the first of its kind. For decades, those swells traversed the Pacific and smashed to rolling white breakers south of San Francisco. India’s best and brightest swept inland, helped turn a valley full of orchards to Silicon. And Silicon turned to gold, as baby-faced kings with Coke-bottle glasses made millions overnight.
At 22, Gaurav left the noise and squalor of Mumbai far behind. He started out as a lonely grad student, dirt-poor, scared, and baffled that a few bananas could cost a whole dollar. With no car, he walked everywhere, miles at a time. But soon he found himself breathing the rarefied air of Google, high-tech’s Shangri-La. He put down roots and thrived, grew his dark hair long, bought a Prius.
They kept coming to the Bay, men and women just like him, drawn to the universities’ regal gates, the salaries unimaginable in India, and the chance to work on technology’s cutting edge. By 2005, more than half of all the engineers in Silicon Valley were foreign-born, and a full quarter of those were Indian.
But times are changing.
American jobs for American workers! cry the protectionists, as they always do when the going gets tough.
Go back to where you came from! cry modern-day Know Nothings, as they always do when people are scared enough to listen. And for the first time in American history, the immigrants
are going back, by the tens of thousands. Some go by choice, as India's pull grows stronger by the day. Some—casualties of contracting payrolls and unforgiving visas—have no choice. To Delhi, to Bangalore, to Chennai trickles the lifeblood of innovation.
When the human waves came crashing through, we reaped the benefits. In the fat years of harvest, we grew complacent. But waves that scramble up the beach, no matter how massive, always recede. We turned our backs on the ocean, and forgot about the undertow.
It’s hot, too muggy for a Bay Area day in early spring, but Gaurav wears black from head to toe. He looks at my white T-shirt and jeans and shakes his head. “Dude, are you going to be OK?”
He has taken every precaution for what lies ahead. His wallet, cell phone, and keys are stowed away behind layers of plastic. I hand mine over like I’m checking into prison. We leave the shopping center and pull into traffic on El Camino in his friend’s car, with the windows down, blasting Indian music. They’ve waterproofed the leather with garbage bags and old beach towels.
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But as we arrive and walk out of the parking garage, Gaurav knows it won’t be enough. Chaos waits just ahead, around a bend in the landscaped path. His step quickens into the jaunty bounce of tall, thin men. Sweat beads on his forehead and trickles down through his goatee.
“We could be in Mumbai,” I say.
“No,” he snorts. “If we were in Mumbai, I would have had to change my shirt three times already today.”
It’s been seven years since he’s dealt with monsoon season there, which I’ve been told is like walking through a hot shower with a hair dryer blowing in your face. Gaurav came to America for the same reason more than 70,000 other Indians do every year—to study at the best universities in the world. He was accepted to the University of Southern California’s graduate program in computer science—one of the country’s finest—and hopped a plane to LAX in hopes of finding a job when his studies were complete.
Gaurav joined Google two years after graduation, but jumped ship a year later and carved out a niche at WebJuice, a small South Bay tech firm. The gourmet lunches were hard to give up, but he’d found that the energy and pace of the startup world were a better fit for his personality. Gaurav is a laid-back guy, his speech pattern infused with enough
dudes,
mans, and
sweets to make him sound from time to time like a Santa Barbara surf bro with an Indian accent. Don’t be fooled, though: He’s smart, scrappy, and full of passion. He also has a few ideas for businesses of his own, though he’s playing them close to the vest.
It could be that startups are in Gaurav’s blood. For hundreds of years, from the West Indies to Uganda to New Jersey, the entrepreneurial gumption of the Indian diaspora has helped kick-start stagnant economies. Most recently, it’s been Silicon Valley’s turn. Though Indians make up barely half a percent of the U.S. population, between 1995 and 2005, they founded more than 15 percent of all the startups in the greatest technological center the world has ever known. Indian immigrants to the U.S. started more tech and engineering companies than their counterparts from the U.K., China, Taiwan, and Japan combined.
“I don’t think of myself as Indian, and I don’t think of myself as American,” Gaurav tells me, without a trace of self-righteousness. “I mean, I happen to be an Indian national, but I think it’s time for our generation to be truly global citizens.”
It’s a nice sentiment, but his passport tells another story. Just a month before I met him, as the economy went from bad to worse, Gaurav was laid off. He lost his visa along with his job, which means he has a few months to find something new before he’s forced to pack his bags. That’s half the time it can take a tech company to hire a new employee.
Our short walk is finished, and Gaurav signs us in at a small folding table. He hands over our $13 tickets. Then he adjusts the glasses resting on his nose, and we step between two wooden stakes into utter mayhem.
On the outskirts of Stanford University’s sprawling campus, Sand Hill Fields have been turned into pulsating mud pits. Bass thumps from a DJ booth on an improvised stage, blasting bhangra music over the heads of four thousand Indians painted head to toe in neon yellow, phosphorescent green, fluorescent pink. Arms wave wildly in the air as shoulders shake and hips buckle. The grass is torn to shreds. On the fringes of the tightly packed dancers, groups of young men drag their victims toward the icy spray of garden hoses on full blast. People of all ages pelt each other’s sopping bodies with brilliant shades of powdered dye. It sticks as if it’s magnetized.
The last time I saw a group of people rocking out to dance music at three o’clock in the afternoon, it was a bunch of Russians tripping on Ecstasy at a rave in St. Petersburg, and I kept my distance. But these are not drugged-out hooligans causing wanton destruction. In fact, the net IQ on that little patch of grass would give a Mensa meeting a run for its money. These are some of the smartest students, engineers, and entrepreneurs India has to offer, and they’re “playing Holi”—celebrating spring’s most raucous Hindu festival. It may be Gaurav’s last in America, but right now he’s more concerned with fighting off an indigo assault from a flirtatious female.
Like so much of India’s culture, the colorful traditions of Holi trace their roots to ancient stories. Legend describes Lord Krishna’s favorite consort, Radha, as surpassingly beautiful, her skin golden like lightning. But Krishna’s skin was dark blue, like a lotus in bloom. Displeased by the contrast, he petitioned his mother—couldn’t she do something? So she applied color to Radha’s face, probably a lot more gently than Gaurav’s friends do to mine as they leave me made up like an extra in
Braveheart.
“You should see Holi in India!” Gaurav’s voice carries over the shrieking laughter. “They use oil paint. It stays for weeks.”
That’s probably convenient enough over there—Holi lasts for 16 days in some regions. Even though we’re using organic dye, a smear of red leaves a ring around my neck, like I’ve been throttled by Andre the Giant. Anyone with hair lighter than coal comes away with a troll doll’s green highlights that won’t wash out for days. Within minutes, Gaurav is a human rainbow, targeted by friends and strangers alike in this massive game of hand-to-hand paintball. He cracks a smile, bright white teeth his only unaffected feature.
Most of the people at this party are like Gaurav, their identity split between their country of birth and an adopted home grown dependent on their skills. This relationship has worked in the past: Despite the songs in Hindi and Urdu, the foreign accents, and the smell of Indian spices on a lazy breeze, the scene feels somehow distinctly American. Young men in polo shirts and flip-flops tend smoking barbecues. Asians, Latinos, and whites mix freely in the crowd. Someone throws a football.
But dig a little deeper, and everything has changed. An antiquated visa policy and the worst job market in memory have sown the seeds of uncertainty. For the first time, many Indian immigrants are asking a question their predecessors never would have: Why stay? Without green cards or citizenship, they’re discovering that the lives they’ve carved out for themselves and their families are subject to a jittery economy. A layoff almost always means a trip home, and that is very bad for business.
“What America’s basically saying is, ‘We’ve educated you, we’ve trained you, we’ve taught you all about our markets,’” says Vivek Wadhwa, a successful Indian-born tech entrepreneur turned Duke University professor, and the leading U.S. expert on Indian immigration. “‘Now you have to get the hell out of here. Go out and become our competitors.’
“We couldn’t have a more stupid national policy than we do,” Wadhwa adds. “These people don’t want to be competing
with America. They want to be competing
for America.”

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You don’t have to look too far back in Silicon Valley’s history to find its Made in India pedigree. Relative to demand, “the supply of native-born engineers began to dry up in the ’80s and early ’90s,” says AnnaLee Saxenian, a UC Berkeley professor who has coauthored several groundbreaking studies on the Bay Area’s immigrant entrepreneurs. “The fact that there were large numbers especially of Chinese and Indian graduate students in engineering and computer science at universities around the country allowed employers to keep growing by sucking them into the job market.”
Those students did more than program and compute—they innovated. In 1982, when Google’s Larry Page was still climbing jungle gyms, Vinod Khosla cofounded Sun Microsystems with a handful of guys from Stanford and Berkeley. Oracle bought their brainchild last April for $7.4 billion, and Khosla is now one of the most influential green venture capitalists in the world. Sabeer Bhatia, another Stanford grad, founded Hotmail in 1996, which Microsoft bought a year later for $400 million. It’s still the world’s second-largest email provider. It’s no wonder that in 2000, Bay Area VC colossus Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers told a
Time reporter that 40 percent of its portfolio was invested in companies either founded or managed by Indians. “This is essentially how Silicon Valley grew,” says Saxenian.
Because of their educational and tech backgrounds, most Indian immigrants working in the U.S. have had special recognition—of a sort. The government can designate them as “skilled workers,” which results in a different visa classification (H-1B) from, for example, that of a Guatemalan agricultural worker (H-2A). Google and WebJuice both sponsored an H-1B for Gaurav, which guaranteed him a spot in the U.S. for only as long as he kept his job.
The terms of the visas are restrictive, but that’s not the worst of it. In 2004, Congress cut the annual H-1B quota by two-thirds, to 65,000, its original level back in 1992. More recently, Congress tacked a provision onto the stimulus bill barring companies that receive bailout money from hiring foreigners through the H-1B program if they replace American workers. The protectionist message seems to be getting through. In 2008, the government got more than 65,000 applications on the first day of submissions. This year, it took four months for 45,000 to come in.
In the worst economic climate since the Great Depression, you can’t just snap your fingers and find another job when a Valley startup goes bust or an industry giant starts shedding staff. Even those who will ride out the recession unscathed face a daunting prospect: There are an estimated one million skilled workers (many holding H-1Bs) and their family members queued up for a paltry 120,000 green cards. They may wait as long as six years for the elusive passkey that will make this country theirs for good.
As a result, many of America’s greatest minds are being forced to leave, or at least to think about their lives in the U.S. in new terms. In the last 20 years, Wadhwa has found, 50,000 Indians and Chinese have left the U.S. for their home countries. He thinks that’s just the shifting of loose rock before the mudslide.
“We’ll lose 100,000 more Indians, plus their families, in the next three to five years,” Wadhwa says. “The vast majority are very well educated. They’re the cream of the crop. They’re exactly the kind of people we want to be here to fuel the economic recovery.” Without that talent, Silicon Valley may need to start replanting some apricot trees.
There is precedent for a region’s loss of its economic edge. Ask a group of young techies about Route 128 today, and if they’re not from Massachusetts, you probably won’t get more than a bunch of vacant expressions. Yet until it was supplanted by Silicon Valley in the late ’80s, that busy hub west of Boston was the country’s high-tech capital.
“Silicon Valley left Boston in the dust, and immigrants were the critical ingredient,” says Wadhwa. “It’s not that an Indian has to create new innovation alone. He could be number three in a group. But you have to bring in as many smart people as you can, because they inspire each other. That’s why Silicon Valley leads the world: It’s a melting pot of brilliant people, and they’re not replaceable. And Indians are the largest foreign group. If you go to any tech company, they’re often a quarter or a third of the employees.”
If America stays on its current course, it might wake up to find the world’s tech nexus has moved again, this time outside its borders. Listen to the pundits and politicians on network television for long enough, and you’re bound to hear someone argue that we don’t need these engineers—that there are plenty of Americans to fill the void left by homeward-bound Indians. “It’s an incredibly stupid position,” says Wadhwa. “They’re thinking of tech workers like factory workers. Maybe you can replace one politician with another,” he says, with a short laugh, “but you can’t do that with tech workers. These politicians don’t understand that technology is a creative field. It’s very likely that an Indian will develop the next Google here. The next iPod, too.”
"I play a game sometimes when I’m driving in Fremont,” Nishant Garg says, as the sun sets through the bay windows of his Inner Richmond apartment. “I like to watch the cars coming the other way and count the number of non-Indians. Sometimes it takes a while.” He chuckles and leans back, sipping a Fat Tire. “It’s like—whoa, there’s a white guy!” If the Dragon Gate on Grant Avenue marks the entrance to Chinatown, and Nihonmachi’s roots lie snug in the Western Addition, then the beating heart of Little India is flung far outside San Francisco’s city limits. It’s somewhere in the middle of a rough triangle formed by Sunnyvale, Milpitas, and Fremont, an area that an Indian American friend of mine calls Brown Town. As of 2007, there were more than 200,000 Indians in the Bay Area, the second-highest concentration in the country. Most live in the cities of the South and East Bays, close to the Silicon Valley jobs they disproportionately fill. Fremont alone boasts an Indian community of more than 36,000, up 16,000 in the last nine years.
Their story has been one of unqualified success. Nearly 70 percent of Indians in the U.S. hold at least a bachelor’s degree (compared with less than 30 percent of all Americans), and more than 35 percent hold graduate degrees. This strong cultural emphasis on education has paid off, as the country’s two and a half million Indians enjoy the highest household incomes of any Asian subgroup—$30,000 greater than the national median. Almost two-thirds work in professional or technical occupations; more than half own homes. This past February, a column in
Forbes deemed Indian Americans the country’s “new model minority.”
Nishant is happy to be among them. He’s a big man with a big laugh, funny, and irreverent. He’s pretty typical of the Indians I meet: bright, hospitable to a fault, and full of choice words about American immigration policy.
He gets me a beer from a fridge stocked with more options than most restaurant menus, and tells me his story. It isn’t an uncommon one among Indian engineers: Math whiz grows up in Chandigarh, dreams of designing something shiny with moving parts, realizes that chasing opportunity means heading west. In Nishant’s case, it was cars that filled his daydreams.
His epiphany came the first time he stepped into a lab in Germany, on a summer internship. “It was a big difference from India,” he recalls. “I realized I should try to apply to the U.S. and Germany for higher education. So I did, and luckily, I got into Stanford and I had to come.”
Nishant was issued a coveted student visa and left the Himalayan foothills of his childhood for the redwoods of Palo Alto. He remembers the good-natured grilling he received from an immigration officer at the airport, who quizzed him on Stanford’s school colors and mascot. He felt welcomed by the government and the people he met.
His days as a grad student were lean, just like Gaurav’s. But he settled in, kept his head down, and in 2004 finished a master’s in mechanical engineering. Everything was going according to plan, and Nishant seemed right on track to do what he had always dreamed of—design cars in America. Then it came time to apply for jobs, in an auto industry already feeling the recession’s pinch.
“I had an internship call from Ford, but once they realized I didn’t have permanent residency or citizenship, they said, ‘Well, we don’t know.’” He sighs. Even now, years later, some of the frustration leaks through in his voice. “GM actually invited me over for an interview, but they weren’t in a good position even then, and it’s a financial commitment for them to sponsor a visa.” To stay in America, Nishant shelved his plans completely and found work at an East Bay software company.
President Obama promised sweeping immigration reform during his campaign, but with Kim Jong Il firing missiles off like firecrackers and an economic recovery a long way off, the issue has been put on the back burner. Political will to fix the problem was lacking before the recession. Now, with the state unemployment rate above 11 percent, Californians are less likely than ever to pressure elected officials to reform the governmental rat’s nest, largely unchanged since the 1960s, that is our national immigration policy. In the meantime, Indians are getting tired of the tedious wait to become permanent residents.
In Wadhwa’s survey of 1,203 Indian and Chinese immigrants who had either worked or studied in the U.S. and then decided to return to their home countries, almost a third of Indian returnees said visa issues were a significant factor in their decision to leave. Nearly two-thirds, however, cited something else, a rationale you wouldn’t have heard 10 years ago: “better career opportunities at home.”
“In the past, America could afford to be arrogant,” says Wadhwa. “The difference is that for the first time in history, you can be successful anywhere in the world. You can be more successful in Bangalore and Beijing than you can be in Boston.”
These days, if you want to live in Central Park, you don’t have to be homeless—at least, not in India. The emerald core of New York City shares its name with an exclusive residential complex in Delhi, far from Manhattan’s skyscrapers. In cities across India, gated communities with English names like Palm Meadows and Millennium City have sprung up seemingly overnight. They offer all the amenities of Western life without the hassle of a 6,000-mile relocation.
“They’re as good as anything you see in Los Gatos or Woodside,” says Seshan Rammohan, a Minnesota Gopher who left India 40 years ago. He was a charter member of Silicon Valley’s chapter of Indus Entrepreneurs, the largest entrepreneurial organization in the world, and now directs the India Community Center in Milpitas. Today, he says, the best neighborhoods in India’s cities boast shopping malls, sports clubs, gyms, and restaurants, as well as teams of security guards paid to keep out undesirables. Private generators and water-purification systems ensure what the Indian government cannot: reliability. The construction of these enclaves hasn’t been free from the quotidian delays and corruption of Indian life, but their price tags stand as evidence of a lucrative market for privacy and space, and a rising middle class with disposable income.
It’s all a product of what many Indians simply call “the Boom,” a suitable name for an expansion that has been earth-shattering. India’s economy is now the 12th largest in the world, as measured by GDP, and the third-fastest-growing among the G20 countries. Since 1980, the Indian per-capita GDP has increased by almost 300 percent. As a result, Indians no longer have to leave the country for a little peace and quiet and an address in a leafy suburb.
In the past, American companies didn’t have to be creative to attract top talent from India. A pile of cash and a sponsored visa were enough to lure the best engineers from overseas. But now, given a narrowing salary gap and a lower cost of living, a top tech worker in India will actually save more than his American counterpart. The work itself can be exciting enough to lure Western-trained Indians back home, too. According to a study led by Wadhwa and Saxenian, at General Electric’s John F. Welch Technology Centre in Bangalore, where they are “designing some of the company’s most advanced technology,” 34 percent of the research and development staff are recent returnees from the States. And returnees make up half of all PhDs at Bangalore’s IBM Research.
“You see that your friends have gone back home and they’re doing really well,” Wadhwa says. “They have the social stature. They have servants and chauffeurs. They have all the economic benefits and impact. Why in the world would you be in America when you could be back home doing that?”
“When I was growing up,” Nishant says, “I would ask people who were studying or working in America, ‘Why do you go?’ They would always tell me that it was for the money. So I would ask them, ‘If the money was the same here, would you leave?’ And they would say no.”
But it’s not just about the money. It’s that India, once a dead end for startups, has become fertile ground for the go-getter. Entrepreneurship used to be dominated by the moneyed houses of the upper classes, the only institutions that could afford the up-front capital needed to start companies in competitive markets. So smart guys with great ideas came to Silicon Valley, where they had a much better chance of securing stakes in their own success. But two things are different today: First, most modern high-tech businesses are no longer capital-intensive, meaning Indians living in India can often finance them on their own. Second, the cash is starting to flow into homegrown Indian startups from within the country. Venture capital still functions more like private equity, focused on increasing the profitability of existing companies instead of paying for new ones to get off the ground. But that’s changing, too.
“If you really want to put a marker on how Bangalore is today,” Rammohan says, “maybe it’s not ’75, when Microsoft started. Maybe it’s ’79.” He leans back in his chair, hands behind his head. “They’re going to get there much faster. Maybe 15, rather than 30, years.” He sounds more than a little proud.
If you walk into any bookstore, you’ll find the bestsellers section piled high with the work of pessimistic prophets. They forecast America’s downfall with a mixture of terror and awe: The center of the world, they say, is drifting inexorably eastward. There is a great deal of truth embedded in the hyperbole. But, although India’s rise has been meteoric, America has selling points that can’t be matched anywhere.
As we smoke flavored tobacco in a hookah bar down a Palo Alto side street, Gaurav hasn’t lost hope of getting an 11th-hour job offer spectacular enough to make the visa headaches worth bearing. But with time running out, he has had no choice but to send seven years of accumulated stuff to ride a container ship across a choppy ocean. And still, he’s stuck on the States.
“I value freedom of speech, freedom of expression, personal safety,” Gaurav says. “They exist in India, but not as much as they do here.”
A soft rain falls outside in the early-evening light. We sip sweet Arabic tea as pipe smoke lingers over our table like smog.
“With that kind of culture, you can form your own opinions when you come across a new issue,” Gaurav says. “Take, for example, gay marriage. In India, it’s not even a topic for discussion. It’s assumed that if you’re gay, you have a disease. And then you come here and you walk around in San Francisco, and you’re like, how are these people in any way, means, shape, or form posing any kind of hindrance to my lifestyle? So why does it matter? My life philosophy now is live and let live.”
“When you grow up in India, you’re very constrained in the way you think” is how Nishant put it to me. “What has changed for me after coming here is that it’s more about your choice, what you want to do in your life. If something gives you pleasure and it’s not harming anyone, go ahead and do what you want.”
If Vidya Venkat ever leaves America, she’ll have to be dragged. She’s a 27-year-old Delhi native with a stylish bob and enough enthusiasm for three people. A green card seems impossibly far away, but she loves her job at Yahoo! and the South Bay’s easy living. It’s a rare commodity in India. “You’ll get paid a good amount when you go back,” Vidya says, “but you can’t stop the traffic jam from happening. You can’t stop the bureaucracy. These are things you have to deal with on a daily basis: water cuts, electricity shortages.”
For a young woman like Vidya, life is less stressful in Sunnyvale. “Delhi’s not safe for girls,” she says. “In India, if I don’t come home by 10 at night, my dad doesn’t sleep. When I’m here, he knows how my lifestyle is—sometimes I’m out with my friends and I come back late, or in the early morning. But he knows I’ll be fine.”
Freedom—that nebulous, most holy concept of the American civic religion—is what makes Vidya want to raise her children here, keeps Nishant happy at home with a fridge full of microbrews, and leaves Gaurav dreading what he’ll miss if he moves away. Freedom from hardship, even inconvenience; freedom from oppression, corruption, and a stifling social order; freedom from crowds and overcrowding, from too little for far too many.
This is the American advantage we may never have to cede. Liberalize the path to citizenship for talented foreign workers, and they’ll keep coming, just as they always have. Because they want to.
It’s a few weeks later, and I’m back at Gaurav’s Mountain View apartment. We share a pizza and more of the sake he always seems to have in reserve. Somewhat sheepishly, he takes out a cigar. “Dude—do you know how to smoke one of these?”
I tell him I’m by no means an expert, but that I’ve clipped a Dominican or two in my day.
“Good. You can show me. I’ve never had one before.” He turns the $10 stogie over in his hands. “I want to try everything I can at least once before I leave America.”
Tally another for the undertow. Gaurav is moving back to India. He’s giving up his job search, which was halfhearted to begin with, and his apartment is almost bare. I sit on the floor in front of a lone glass table. The detritus of a busy young man’s life litters its speckled surface: Bollywood movie cases, an ashtray, a few magazines.
Maybe he was just unlucky. Or maybe, like many of his friends, he took a good look at the situation and realized that going back makes more sense.
“I was at this fork, this crossroads, in my life,” he says. “A lot of considerations came into play—family, finances. It’s a great time to be back in India, because now India is a market, not just an outsourcing shop. It can be its own thing. There’s growth, there’s talent, there are a lot of people heading back, there are new ideas.”
Like many young Indians, Gaurav feels a need to be a part of it all, to play a role in the grand adventure: the moment in India’s history when it reclaims its former glory, real or imagined, and moves into the world spotlight. Construction cranes work through the night, bank accounts drown in a deluge of rupees, and the blue flames of blowtorches illuminate naval shipyards filled to capacity with the imposing hulks of half-built destroyers. The clarion call has sounded, a 9 a.m. steam whistle beckoning Indians scattered across the world back home to work on a great national project.
There’s a good job at a defense-contracting firm waiting for Gaurav in Mumbai. There’s a bed waiting in his parents’ house, too, where he’ll stay while he sets up his new life. Gaurav will let himself be swept out with the tide, but not before he gets a final taste of the Bay Area nightlife he’s come to love.
A few days later, we’re at his going-away party. “This,” Gaurav says, “is the first place I got drunk in America.”
We’re at Molly MaGees, in Mountain View, where a cosmopolitan scene plays out as I sip my Guinness in the corner. A jovial, inebriated crowd of young Asian immigrants, mostly tech workers, is packed into a wood-and-brass, low-ceilinged Irish pub, the legacy of another group of immigrants who have made their own mark on Bay Area history. But instead of Dannys and Patricks, Prasads and Sanjays crowd the bar. They’re seeing off one of their own, and the atmosphere is part wake, part wedding. I know what many of them are thinking: Will that be me someday? Someday soon?
Gaurav has become a friend, and I’ll miss him when he’s gone. He invites me to Mumbai for a visit, hawks the benefits for body and mind of a sublime week under the sun in Goa. Then he’s pulled in three directions and nearly drowned in shots as his buddies and colleagues jockey for a final sampling of his irrepressible warmth.
There’s one last question I need to ask him before he leaves. I’m a political junkie, so I have to know: What are his thoughts on that poster boy of Indian success and assimilation, Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal?
Gaurav doesn’t miss a beat.
“Weirdo,” he says, and smiles.
It’s a response only an American could give.
Benjamin Schrier is a law student, freelance writer, and Bay Area native.
Great article!
debug - Since you have so much problem with immigrants especially from India , why don't you let your President know to send all immigrants back and help your fellow citizens to get the jobs currently held by skilled immigrants.
I defy you to do that and I am sure you will be nothing but UNSUCCESSFUL.
And if you still have doubts , go and read article on msnbc about "inspite of 15 million people looking for jobs, companies that are trying to hire are not able to find skilled labor".
If you do succeed in sending home 1 million skilled immigrants waiting for visa, what about the remaining 14+ million Americans without a job.
There will still be 15 million and increasing unemployed, because I doubt you will be able to replace the skills that immigrants bring in.
I think countries like India and China would only benefit from your anti-immigrant sentiment.
Also think about the Social Security and Medicare that the immigrants contribute to, without being eligible for those benefits themselves. That pays for the retirees and aging population.
So think again..and if you need help to think, you might want to do some hire talented, skilled person from "India", that too if they are willing to work for a MORON.
Good Luck!
Observational data presented in an article in the University of Michigan Journal of Law Reform (Dec. 12, 2003) are inconsistent with Schrier's contention that an exodus of foreign brains would "turn the Bay Area into the Detroit of High Tech." Based on data compiled by a professor of urban planning at the University of California, Berkeley, the article concludes that Asian-born engineers form businesses in Silicon Valley at a somewhat lower rate in proportion to their numbers than native American-born engineers. These data suggest that Asian-born engineers are a slight drag on entrepreneurship in Silicon Valley rather than the opposite.
Economic theory and the empirical evidence are consistent with the belief that employers cherish foreign computer programmers on H-1B visas primarily because they pay them about 30% less (ibid) while working them like the virtual slaves which they are. Naturally, the people who benefit from this system favor it but there are net disadvantages from it for almost all Americans.
One of these disadvantages is that the huge recent influx of foreign workers into our country from Congressional pandering to business interests is producing exponentially increasing growth in the population of our country. This growth is reducing our wages in occupations, such as computer programming, that are impacted by it while driving down our quality of life.
These and other factors make it in the rational self-interest of most Americans to favor elimination of programs, such as the H-1B visa program, that swell the numbers of immigrants. Claims that favoritism for eliminating these programs result from "protectionism," "nativism," "xeno-phobia" or "racism" are baseless smears perpetrated because the perpetrators lack appeals to one's intellect.
The great majority of voters favor throttling back on importation of foreign workers. However, the members of the U.S. Congress refuse to abide by their constituents wishes. They refuse to do so even in the midst of a rate of unemployment of 10%. That they would betray the interests of their constituents in this devasting way testifies to the extreme venality of the members of Congress.
Periodicals, such as San Francisco, which publish one-sided articles claiming the existence of worker shortages do so as a favor to business interests seeking Congressional allies in their never ending quest for cheaper labor. These periodicals seem not to recognize that in doing so, they alienate nearly all of their readers.
debug [8/27/2009 2:01:14 am]: Highly educated? Guarav was just a cheap worker and lied on his resume to get his job.
bobo555 [8/26/2009 4:01:54 pm]: Millions flooding in from India with fake degrees, fake resumes, and no skills.
firestarter [8/27/2009 6:07:39 am]: there is a percentage that fudge their degrees too
H-1B Benefit Fraud & Compliance Assessment [2 post on 06-24-2009 2:20 PM]: 10/246 = 4% cases had a fraudulent/forged document.
Keith J. Winstein: Inflated academic credentials in the nation's executive suites may be more common than generally thought.
A survey of 358 senior executives and directors at 53 publicly traded companies has turned up at least 7 instances of claims that individuals had academic degrees they don't have. In some cases, the slip-ups don't appear to have been intentional, and may have been caused by misunderstandings.
The Wall Street Journal: A new survey of 358 officers at 53 publicly-traded companies has turned up at least 10 instances of senior executives or directors who claimed academic degrees they didn't earn.
Keith J. Winstein and Don Clark: Mr. Manian is at least the 11th senior executive or director to surface recently in a search for business leaders with inflated academic credentials.
Cari Tuna and Keith J. Winstein: Still, embellishments creep into C-suite résumés, too. Executive candidates most frequently lie about reasons for leaving a previous post, results and accomplishments, and past job responsibilities. Academic credentials were the 5th-most frequently exaggerated type of information seen by executive recruiters.
Keith J. Winstein: Further down the corporate pecking order, inflated credentials are fairly common: about 20% of job seekers and rank-and-file employees undergoing background checks by their companies are found to have inflated their educational credentials.
Cari Tuna and Keith J. Winstein: A fair number of job applicants misrepresent their credentials: about 20% of job seekers and employees undergoing background checks exaggerate their educational backgrounds. In a 2004 survey of human-resource professionals, 61% said they "often" or "sometimes" find résumé inaccuracies when vetting prospective hires.
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1. What about
a) grASSley (R-IA) [5 page 6] [6 page 9] [7 page 6],
b) Ron Hira (Public Policy, Rochester Institute of Technology) [1 posts on 06-25-2009 8:55 PM & 06-26-2009 9:57 AM] [3 post on 09-01-2008 6:00 PM],
c) Norm Matloff (Computer Science, UC Davis) [1 posts on 06-26-2009 @ 2:14 PM & 6:51 PM & 9:10 PM, 06-28-2009 @ 8:39 PM],
d) John Miano (GuildY founder) [3 post on 08-29-2008 1:04 PM],
e) Harold Salzman (Urban Institute) & B Lindsay Lowell (Georgetown University) [1 post on 06-29-2009 10:07 AM]?
2. What about debug's (as Indian) fabrications [3 post on 08-29-2008 11:39 AM] at every blog?
3. What about 100+ trashed porous lies [post on 9/8/2009 6:56:22 am] at every blog?
[1] http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/thread/1004423702.aspx
[2] http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/thread/1004423666.aspx
[3] Why Can't We Make U.S. Grads U.S. Citizens? ... And Then U.S. Employees? By Chloe Albanesius | PC Magazine, 08.26.08
http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1/1004406610/ShowThread.aspx
[4] 'Americans first' gaining traction By GEBE MARTINEZ | Politico, Apr 20 2009
http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=4&threadid=2325153&start=31&CurrentPage=2
[5] Understanding L-1 visas and the recent OIG Report, National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP), Mar 2006
http://nfap.com/researchactivities/articles/NFAPPolicyBriefUnderstandingL1Visas0306.pdf
[6] Driving jobs and Innovation Offshore: The impact of high-skill Immigration Restrictions on America, National Foundation for American Policy, Dec 2007
http://www.nfap.com/pdf/071206study.pdf
[7] H-1B Visas by the Numbers, National Foundation for American Policy, Mar 2009
http://nfap.com/pdf/0903h1bpb.pdf
Grand Republic of Despicable Prevarications: 100+ Times trashed POROUS lies from rabble-rouser harangues
1. Alan Greenspan's Wage Depression bumper sticker [1 posts on 06-26-2009 9:21 PM & 06-27-2009 9:28 AM]
a. Cal Bear [8/28/2009 3:20:13 pm]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqx88MyUSck
b. Cal [Bear 8/28/2009 3:16:37 pm]: Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan said ...
c. Cal Bear [8/28/2009 3:16:37 pm]: http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/03/14/greenspan_let_more_skilled_immigrants_in/
[A] http://www.computerworld.com/comments/node/9058941?page=9 ... post on on Jan 31 2008 - 18:10)
[B] http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/combo_review?action=getComment&productId=36561&reviewId=339024#339024 ... post on Oct 18, 2008 12:54 PM GMT
[C] http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/combo_review?action=getComment&productId=36561&reviewId=335457#335457 ... post on Oct 10, 2008 2:25 PM GMT
Phyllis Korkki [1 post on 06-27-2009 9:28 AM]: According to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, employment in Silicon Valley high-tech industries — which were among the most heavily damaged in the storm — fell by 17% from 2001 to 2008. But that doesn’t tell the whole story.
Across the board, though, wages rose — by an average of 36% over the period.
2. NSF Rhapsody [1 post on 06-26-2009 9:10 PM]
Cal Bear [8/28/2009 3:23:01 pm]: A growing influx of foreign PhDs into US labor markets will hold down the level of PhD salaries to the extent that foreign students are attracted to US doctoral programs as a way of immigrating to the US.
3. Cheap Labor Mantra [1 posts from 06-25-2009 8:46 PM -> 06-26-2009 6:51 PM] [2 post on 06-24-2009 5:32 PM] [1 post on 06-26-2009 9:15 PM]
a. debug [8/26/2009 12:06:02 pm]: It's about time we help our own American Citizens and local residents instead of bringing in cheap foreign labor. There is no skills shortage just companies that don't want to pay prevailing wages.
b. debug [8/27/2009 2:01:14 am]: Highly educated? Guarav was just a cheap worker and lied on his resume to get his job.
4. O Visa Cacophony
Cal Bear [8/28/2009 3:31:32 pm]: Finally, S.887 Durbin-Grassley H1B/L1 visa reform would NOT affect the "best and brightest" because they already have their own visa category, the O-1 visa. The O-1 visa has no quotas.
[A] http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/combo_review?action=getComment&productId=36561&reviewId=339199#339199 ... Oct 19, 2008 1:03 AM GMT
[B] http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/combo_review?action=getComment&productId=42649&reviewId=442374#442374 ... post on Apr 20, 2009 1:32 PM GMT
5. Equally qualified American not first: Theory in search of data [4 post #38, 41, 43, 44, 47, 48] [1 posts from 06-27-2009 9:51 AM -> 06-28-2009 10:37 AM]
Cal Bear [8/28/2009 3:31:32 pm]: Require all employers who want to hire an H1B/L1 guest-worker to first make a good-faith attempt to recruit a qualified American worker. Employers would be prohibited from using H1B/L1 visa holders to displace qualified American workers.
6. H-1B only ads [1 post on 06-27-2009 9:40 AM] [4 post #42]
Cal Bear [8/28/2009 3:31:32 pm]: Prohibit the blatantly discriminatory practice of "H-1B only" ads
7. Mandatory/Random Audit [1 post on 06-29-2009 10:20 AM]
8. Norm Matloff [3 posts on 08-28-2008 at 10:43 AM & 10:38 AM & 9:56 AM] [1 post on 06-28-2009 8:39 PM]
a. Cal Bear [8/28/2009 3:01:35 pm]: University of California Computer Science Professor Norm Matloff ...
b. Cal Bear [8/28/2009 3:10:46 pm]: Professor Norm Matloff H1B portal
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Such mantras are incessantly recited because there is nothing else to say!
[1] http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/thread/1004423702.aspx
[2] http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/thread/1004423666.aspx
[3] Why Can't We Make U.S. Grads U.S. Citizens? ... And Then U.S. Employees? By Chloe Albanesius | PC Magazine, 08.26.08
http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1/1004406610/ShowThread.aspx
[4] 'Americans first' gaining traction By GEBE MARTINEZ | Politico, Apr 20 2009
http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=4&threadid=2325153&start=31&CurrentPage=2
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Sep 2, 2009 7:44 AM GMT
For 10+ years, innocuous employment based immigration (EBI) and H/L visa legislation has been radioactivized by a minority of minority ... of minority - 20+ strongly opinionated, fabricating, xenophobic, wild-eyed hooligans - claiming to represent all Americans.
These rowdies claim that H/Ls marginalize their employment. However, despite 10+ years of rhetoric they have not presented any publicly verifiable compelling evidence: federal investigations, based on their Lou DoGGsing, reveal none [1] to ticky-tack violations of bogus laws [2] (like paying contractor on bench which is not supported by contracting business model [2 post on 06-24-2009 5:32 PM]). Such bogus laws will not improve anyone's employment.
This small tong, diligently and aggressively contrives spontaneous down-and-dirty blogism, at every blog, to exaggerate their sway: 2-5 ubiquotous fixtures post incessantly with multiple handles (debug = bobo555 = Cal Bear) to manufacture the appearance of many Americans sharing their passion and snarling sentiments. This claque of obstructionist hides behind the veil of secrecy to create the impression that normal, everyday Americans have put these movements together.
This manufactured mobocracy is the Grand Republic of Despicable Prevarications, whose citizens have been driven to derangement by blizzard of mis-representations from rabble-rousers [1, 3 page 3] with hate group associations [3 post on 08-28-2008 9:56 AM]. What these hotheaded, self-righteous, obnoxious, stick-it-to-the-manism are hissing/caterwauling/fulminating is irrational, inchoate, inaccurate, completely baseless and unsubstantiated. Trapped in their vacuum of catastrophic ideas, these willfully ill-informed continue to display an astounding ability to believe utter nonsense, even when faced with facts that contradict it.
This bile filling minority is a bunch of agitated, coarse, boisterous, disrespectful know-it-alls. They produce an endless loop of ridiculous high-decibel rants. But, this stupefaction does not even come close to passing the giggle test.
This belligerent and boorish minority has no marketable skill: they reflect abysmal skills but instead of developing their skills they have been repeating 100+ times trashed porous lies (from rabble-rouser harangues [3 post on 08-28-2008 10:43 AM]) and spewing race based hate and fear. They suppress, obstruct, delay, confuse, stall, distort and otherwise impede any rational EBI/F/H/L discussion, to create a tempest.
They aren't interested in America. They merely use the argot of America to hide their real motive: race based hate. No argument, however rational, is going to cure these narcissists of that grotesque disease. Their ineluctable presence raises the nettlesome question: where did they pick up this distasteful and destructive behavior?
These accusatory wingnuts have blamed the entire universe for their failures, but themselve. Naturally, they demand US Citizenship based un-American self entitlement, about what they think they deserve -- not because they've earned it but because they want (but will not get based on their skills) a more comfortable, hassle-free life. They claim that they would be employed at the company and salary of their choice if not for 100K+ H-1B petitions/year [1 post on 06-28-2009 9:10 PM] (= .07% of US labor force [4 post on Apr 22 2009 - 4:20 PM EST]), 45K L petitions/year [5], #H/L workers < # H/L petitions and 140K+ EBI/year (= 13+% of legal immigration [6]), despite 2% (pre-recession) unemployment in all professional categories. Instead, this superemely incompetent minority should be ecstatic with the undeserved good fortune to have been born in America.
But these are the idiots who weigh in on EBI/F/H/L when some lawmakers pander to them by proposing legislation cloaked in the guise of protecting American workers. These legislative shenanigans are trying to resolve the California crisis by rescuing Zimbabwe because improving their employability lies (and lies ... and lies) in narrowing their pacific ocean sized skills, attitude and ethics deficit.
Therapeutic efforts to disguise truth never work!
[1] http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/thread/1004423702.aspx
[2] http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/thread/1004423666.aspx
[3] Why Can't We Make U.S. Grads U.S. Citizens? ... And Then U.S. Employees? By Chloe Albanesius | PC Magazine, 08.26.08
http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1/1004406610/ShowThread.aspx
[4] 'Americans first' gaining traction By GEBE MARTINEZ | Politico, Apr 20 2009
http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=4&threadid=2325153&start=31&CurrentPage=2
[5] http://app.businessweek.com/UserComments/combo_review?action=getComment&productId=36561&reviewId=340843#340843
[6] Spotlight on Legal Immigration to the United States By Gretchen Reinemeyer and Jeanne Batalova | Migration Policy Institute, Nov 2007
http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?id=651
I am a native born American living in Silicon Valley as a tech worker and I after reading some of the comments I have to dispel a couple of things:
MYTH 1: There is a shortage of IT jobs. Quite the opposite, while the rest of the country seems to be mired in a recession, I'm constantly being asked by recruiters to pursue software development positions. I don't know where all this talk about stealing jobs is coming from, there is a shortage of skilled labor and I personally feel it.
MYTH 2: Guest workers are net stealing jobs.. I've hung around some of the best and brightest imports in the world, and if you are going to take a boat all the way over to the United States, do you think you are just going to be satisfied working for a company? No! You are probably going to bust your ass to start a company or support a startup or generally fit a job producing role, and that's exactly what a lot of immigrants do.
MYTH 3: It's a zero sum game. Bringing in foreign labor doesn't diminish homegrown labor, it enhances it, as counterintuitive as it may sound. Protectionism is predicated on the idea that someone wins and someone loses. If this was actually the case we'd be in big trouble. There is a lot of mutual economic benefit to protectionism
MYTH 4: American capital is the end all be all of the world. The world has moved on, and capital and investment is a multipolar game, and we as americans need to bring in that capital as much as any other country.
Finally on a personal note, being close friends from immigrants around the world who in one form or another believe in the American dream of individualism, personal growth, and freedom, I have to say that these are some not only the bright but also the coolest people -- people you /want/ in your country. Dealing with government policy that is largely crafted by people who /don't/ deal with immigrant labor up front and up close and backed by a large network of self righteous xenophobes is frustrating, and frankly dumb. I know there are a lot of financially hurting Americans, but it's not as black and white as people are making it out to be.
H1B abuse in action. US workers losing their jobs to foreign workers brought on in on H1B visas to replace them.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/19047187/detail.html
Senate Bill S.887, Durbin-Grassley H1B/L1 visa reform, would mandate the following;
1) Require all employers who want to hire an H1B/L1 guest-worker to first make a good-faith attempt to recruit a qualified American worker. Employers would be prohibited from using H1B/L1 visa holders to displace qualified American workers.
2) Prohibit the blatantly discriminatory practice of "H-1B only" ads and prohibit employers from hiring additional H1B/L1 guest-workers if more than 50 percent of their employees are H1B/L1 visa holders.
3) Permit the Department of Labor to initiate investigations without a complaint and without the Labor Secretary's personal authorization;
4) Authorize the Department of Labor to review H1B/L1 applications for fraud;
5) Allow the Department of Labor to conduct random audits of any company that uses the H1B/L1 visa program;
6) Require the Department of Labor to conduct annual audits of companies who employ large numbers of H1B/L1workers.
7) Establish a process to investigate, audit and penalize H1B/L1 visa abuses.
Notice that this proposed legislation does NOT abolish H1B/L1 visas. It just ensures they are not abused. Replacing US workers with H1B/L1 visa holders because its cheaper its BLATANT fraud of the H1B/L1 programs.
Remember that H1B is SUPPOSED to be used only when no US worker can be found...on a TEMPORARY basis. As such, H1B/L1 are "temporary non immigrant" visas.
Finally, S.887 Durbin-Grassley H1B/L1 visa reform would NOT affect the "best and brightest" because they already have their own visa category, the O-1 visa.
The O-1 visa has no quotas.
"A growing influx of foreign PhDs into U.S. labor markets will hold down the level of PhD salaries to the extent that foreign students are attracted to U.S. doctoral programs as a way of immigrating to the U.S.A. A related point is that for this group the PhD salary premium is much higher [than it is for Americans], because it is based on BS-level pay in students' home nations versus PhD-level pay in the U.S.A... [If] doctoral studies are failing to appeal to a large (or growing) percentage of the best citizen baccalaureates, then a key issue is pay... A number of [the Americans] will select alternative career paths... For these baccalaureates, the effective premium for acquiring a PhD may actually be negative."
http://www.nber.org/~peat/PapersFolder/Papers/SG/NSF.html
http://www.nber.org/~peat/ReadingsFolder/PrimarySources/TimeLine.html
Alan Greenspan @ 3:50 of video below says;
"We pay highest skilled labor wages in the world...If we would open up our borders to skilled labor, far more than we do, ah we would attract very substantial quantity of skilled labor which would SUPPRESS THE WAGE LEVELS of the skilled...if we bring the number of workers to SUPPRESS THE LEVEL OF WAGES relative to the lesser skilled, we will reduce the degree of inequality"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqx88MyUSck
Watch his hand gestures in the video above when he says "SUPPRESS THE LEVEL OF WAGES". Also, notice that Greenspan does NOT even mention seeking to have the "best and brightest" come to America as a reason for bringing "substantial quantity of skilled labor" to America!
Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan said; "Our skilled wages are higher than anywhere in the world," he said. "If we open up a significant window for skilled workers, that would suppress the skilled-wage level and end the concentration of income."
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/03/14/greenspan_let_more_skilled_immigrants_in/
Vivek Wadwa now admits he was wrong when he claimed that;
"Foreign nationals residing in the United States were named as inventors or co-inventors in 25.6 percent of international patent applications filed from the United States in 2006. This represents an increase from 7.6 percent in 1998."
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/WadhwaIV.txt
Why then should we think he is not wrong about his "study" on foreign born entrepreneurs and their effect on Silicon Valley leadership?
Vivek Wadwa and the outsourcing/H1B/L1 lobby would like to reduce this debate to one of racism and xenophobia.
Some quotes from Vivek Wadwa:
"I know from my experience as a tech CEO that H-1Bs are cheaper than domestic hires. Technically, these workers are supposed to be paid a prevailing wage, but this mechanism is riddled with loopholes. In the tech world, salaries vary widely based on skill and competence. Yet the prevailing wage concept works on average salaries, so you can hire a superstar for the cost of an average worker"
"..even if the [older] $120,000 programmer gets the right skills, companies would rather hire the younger workers. That's really what's behind this"
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/VivekWadhwaCrossesLine.txt (Professor Norm Matloff H1B portal)
University of California Computer Science Professor Norm Matloff, whose wife is a Chinese immigrant, writes;
"As to the entrepreneurial and patenting activities by foreign workers that Vivek keeps bringing up, none of the studies has shown that the immigration has brought the U.S. a NET GAIN in these activities. On the contrary, in the case of patenting, the authors (including Vivek) have made disclaimers, stating that they are not claiming that the per capita rate of patenting is higher for immigrant engineers than for American engineers. Immigration policy has squeezed many Americans out of the field, and discouraged many more who have interest in the field from entering it in the first place. This is an internal brain drain, resulting in a loss of innovation and entrepreneurship from Americans. (I've profiled specific cases in the past; see for instance http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/NotBestAndBrightest3.txt) The data indicate that this loss is about the same size as the gain, so
in the end it's a wash."
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/VivekWadhwaCrossesLine.txt
WTF, what excel are you talking about. First learn how to spell and get out of high school. Do you know you can get a BS degree in India for 3 years? What is that? Well keep on dreaming, if you think CIR will pass. Hard working Americans will never let it pass or else Obama should have started that bullshit. He will not be able to do anything, the government is till dictated by the people (and that means US Citizens). I still have to meet an American Citizen (not a fake American Citizen from Mumbai) who likes Guest Workers. They don't exist.
This drivel is nothing more than NASSCOM propaganda. The most odious thing is the underlying anti-American racism which contends we are too stupid to pursue hard science degrees and the Indian ex-pats have to step up since the natives lack the necessary technical chops. I have an undergrad degree from an Ivy League school as well as an masters degree from another top notch school and I was shown the door from my Wall St. job in early 2008 to be replaced by some wet behind the ears H-1B from Gujurat. This is all about "C" level execs maxing out their bonuses and stock options while the rest of the worker bees get the shaft. We need to adopt the American equivalent of swadeshi; do things ourselves all the foreigners be damned.
Pappu of ImmigrationVoice.org cant dance SAALA
:)))
Yeah...Vidhya is really hot
Hey...debug
Are you living in fools paradise.
India should keep the Gauravs and send the Vidya's, she's HOT!
Its a nice article. Best of the luck to Surav in his american dream!!!
Protectionism is not going to help. I want americans to go to school and get degree. Otherwise nothing is going to help. Hey...debug you are loser and sitting with your excell is not going to help. Grow up
I am an american and in the IT field. As long as you are bright and innovative I welcome any one to america. This is a nice article. We need to get ride of protectinism. Hight school drop out and sitting with MS-excell for years people are not going to help. If we dont welcome the immigrants we are the one going to lose. Simply the jobs will be shipped to offshore. Hey...debug you are a hight school and drop out and a loser....just grow up.
Very nice article. I hope US senators and congressmen would read it and do some introspection. It is high time that US passed CIR on the lines of 2006 McCain Kennedy bill.
bobo555, 17 years in silicon valley? you might be still working on Excel, improve your skills instead of blaming other of taking jobs. Multi millions dollars companies wont take chance by hiring based on birth place, they need someone who has skill to run their business.
Hey immigration voice thinks Obama will read this article. Do you think its coincidence that USCIS is starting to have more investigations specially in the workplace? Visas being turned down in the Indian American embassies. Obama is talking in fork tongue, yes he makes you think he is for immigration but he really wants to send you all home. Lol..be real, this is America, American Citizens rule this country. Last time there were a poll, 85 percent of Americans want to send you all home. No Immigration Reform just straight home.
is that a picture of gaurav in San Francisco...if we don't stop the invasion that's how market street will look like.
Also, do not forget that the other big 'block' of Indian immigrants stuck in the Green Card impasse is doctors! About 10-20% of all Primary Care doctors are of Indian origin, about 20% residents in Primary care each year are of Indian origin! They have to wait about 9 years+, whereas doctors from any other country can get their Permanent Residency in about 3 years!
An Indian doctor I know of, who is in a great Group Practice in the southwest, is fed up of shelling out $8K every 2-3 years to mantain his Green Card petition! He is seriously considering moving back to India! If more of these doctors decide to go back - who will take care of these millions that will enter the Healthcare system when or if the Reform Bill passes?
On that note - I noted that some of the people posting after this article seem to be in need of some medical & psychological care, too - they should find a good doctor, probably a good doctor of Indian origin, maybe! They will realize that Indians do not have any malice at all, and so well accultrated!
Great article! Very perceptive!
A significant argument against the present Immigration backlog is the unfairness of the system! An immigrant from India who came to the USA in 1998 or 1999 may still be waiting for a Green Card! But, a 2007 or 2008 migrant from Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, North Korea,Sudan, Yemen - to name some examples of countries with people who harbor ill-will against the American way of life - could have Green Card now!
@Euromoto
hey keep to Europe...when did free trade help America...we need to protect our assets..
you have your own problems there with the kennel..
Wonderful detailed article explaining how the anti-immigrants are pulling down America's growth. I appreciate author for clarity in her writing. Anti-immigrants instead of blaming immigrants, they should just grow and understand global trades.
Business anywhere needs real inventors and productive workers. If we don't welcome the brain here, there are many outside USA to welcome them. America is #1 in the world in terms of innovation and safety, because in the past top brains were attracted here. By hating them, we are going to loose that #1 position.
People who understands economy will not blame immigrants for jobs, rather they would sharpen their skills. Immigrants are costly to employ, because business has to spend in visa and legal fees in addition to their salary, which has to be at par with market.
I like US folks and I feel sorry for them and their next generations....
The key commodity of the future is knowledge and US is letting go of the sources of knowledge...bad for US, good for the rest of the world.
@debug - I've no idea in what world you live, but looks like you yourself are a 'shill' for protectionists...good luck to you! If you succeed, USA loses...way to be patriotic!!
K, When did calling Some one lazy and stupid make him/her a racist? These are merely attributes of people of any color. That said, there are lazy and stupid people every where in every country. If some one is hallucinating that All americans were lazy, well he/she is egregiously wrong and smoking some thing real good and I do not condone it. I hope that is clarified now and we can discuss with out H being equated to Hindu or for that matter any religious practice or culture.
As some one else said, every one here is/was a guest and have worked hard to become who they are. This country is a land of opportunity and I am sure the generations of immigrants faced the same typical outcry of "go back home". Today, its about tech jobs, yesterday it was factory jobs.
The real question is whether Immigrants contribute to the economy and the answer is a resounding yes. Research shows it and not just my word of mouth.
1. I'd credit San Fran Mag with this much that at the very least they'd have checked the credentials of the folks they're featuring so I don't buy the whole "fake degree" argument. He's worked at a company like Google and if you know the hiring process at Google, you'd know that you can't fake your way past the recruiting teams there.
2. I don't think Indians, as a community ever denied the existence of religion in their lives, if anything it was always an integral part of their culture. The US on the other hand prides itself on the separation of Church and State but at the same time "W" makes statements like "Jesus visited me in my dreams and told me that XYZ was the right thing to do" or even something as simple as "May God bless America" - why not "May God (if he/she exists) bless the whole world"?
3. A lot of you are forgetting that a lot of the legitimate foreign educated workers (and there is a percentage that fudge their degrees too) have paid their dues by paying their taxes, buying homes, contributing to the economy, getting advanced degrees in the US etc.
4. Debug, Bobo55 - are you guys native Americans? If not then you're immigrants as well. The only difference being that your ancestors either came here forcefully, under the umbrella of political asylum, or just happened to arrive here a few generations before Gaurav did. In either case if you're not a Native American then the immigrant issue is not really valid. America is, was and always will be a land of immigrants. It wouldn't be America if it wasn't for its diversity and equal opportunities act.
5. With regards to "what's come out of India in the recent past?" Well if they weren't invaded by the British for 300 odd years, the world would have been a different place. To start off with, the number Zero is credited as being an Indian invention. Now where would CEO's be if it weren't for those obscene number of zeroes in their paychecks?
6. Also if you really feel that Indians have drained this economy because they earn $100k a year? Lets do some basic math - < 1% Indians - so 3 million. Assume half of those work in tech so 1.5 million. Assume half of those are immigrants - 750,000. If each one made $100k for 6 years and left - that's 750k X 6 x 100k = $450 billion over 6 years. Now at least 60% of that goes in taxes, rent etc which stays in the US - so assuming they "send back" 40% $180 billion. When Bill Clinton left office, the budget surplus was 1 trillion odd and when "W" left it was a deficit of 3 trillion USD. So 180 billion is about 4.5% of the 4 trillion lost. I know I've oversimplified the calculation but clearly Indian immigrants aren't the cause of a flailing US economy.
Highly educated? Guarav was just a cheap worker and lied on his resume to get his job. This is America, American citizens have benefits for being citizens. Read the 14th Amendment of the constitution. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/
If you get your greencard, then your citizenship then you will love this ground..if gaurav is smart enough why don't he help his own country instead of stealing our jobs.
Taking away jobs from Americans? What in the world are you folks talkin' about? Americans are lacking seriously behind in sciences and math and later on in college, few Americans actually go out there studying engineering or the hard sciences. "White folks" aint competing for the kinds of jobs people like Gaurav are competing for.
Let me break this to you real slow, the devastating of the American middle class began with our very own good ol' Ronald Reagan and his Reagonomics and then later was continued under George W Bush by a government which for the past 8 years has been the pawn of corporations and private interests, giving tax breaks to the richest 10% of the population, deregulating banks (in 1999) and removing business oversight, so that the pockets of their cronies in the white house can be filled. The American middle class has been devastated by two unplanned wars waged in different parts of the world based on misinformation and flat out lies, and it has been driven to the ground by the right-wing neo-con Jesus-freaks wielding a gun in one hand and the bible in the other. The middle-class has been devastated by a nation of idiots that fight for the cause of the rich and wealthy, and against policies that will actually benefit their own backwards, white-trash asses (see 2004 election, see health-care debate).
Dont blame the devastating downfall of the American middle-class on a bunch of highly educated and skilled foreigners who have actually not been part of the problem.
It is amazing: some of you folks - damned if you do, damned if you dont. You dont want the unskilled, illegal fruit-pickers from Mexico here, because you dont think they are contributing to the economy and are a burden, and you dont want the educated, skilled people here, because they contribute too much to the economy (?) by increasing the US' GDP - while in fact there is this gap at both ends that most Americans are either unwilling or unable to fill. it's utterly ridiculous.
Of course they are all returning to India to work on a national project - they've done what they came here to do: take our money and send it all back home to India. Now that there is no capital left in our banks thanks to millions of guest workers exporting it, they have no reason to stay here: they don't want to be Americans - they are here for the $ and that is all. They could care less about Americans. And just maybe all those naval destroyers being built in India will be used to attack the USA. The moron who wrote this article is an idiot.
What a bunch of garbage. I lived in Silicon Valley for 17 years. I am author of 20 commercial software projects and I have worked at Apple & Sony. Until 1998 the demographic in IT was 98% white American males. Americans built Silicon Valley. There were no 'waves of immigrants' until Bill Clinton raised the visa caps into the millions in 1998 & 2000. Then the flood started. Millions flooding in from India with fake degrees, fake resumes, and no skills. Americans are now TRAINING these people. The Indian Mafia gets into SV companies, throws all the Americans out who created them, they take over and then grift out all the wealth. The typical Indian visa holder stays here for 6 years, sends $100K home, then goes back to India and retires at 30. They have NO incentive to become American because of the exchange rate. $100K in Rupees is a king's ransom. They would be fools to want to stay here. CA's economy is a total disaster. Where are the MILLIONS of jobs these people promised to create? Instead we've got the greatest recession in 70 years. Every company they touch dies. PeopleSoft, Sun, AIG, Lehman, GM outsourced to Wipro in 2006. How much money did NASSCOM/Wipro, etc pay you to write this garbage? Name one new invention or new industry to come out of India. Now the Indians want to go home? Of course they do? There are no jobs here now because India, Inc. destroyed them all and cleaned out all the great companies - except Apple which uses AMERICAN LABOR. There are 200% tariffs on automotive products in India and it is illegal to hire Americans there. Everyone else is protectionist, so why can't we. The FACT of the matter is these workers have no delivered as promised - they have destroyed the once-booming U.S. economy - and they are going to return home with their U.S. educations and our cash no matter what our immigration policy is. Stop the LIES.
Time to take care of Citizens of America. Never believe all this propaganda. Vivek Fraudwa is a paid shill of NASSCOM
How much Americans and Permanent Residents will need to be unemployed. All these lies and propagadana. Has anybody checked how these visas are used to discriminate against Americans?
There are few IT jobs left. However, most of these jobs only target guest workers under the H1b visas. They don't allow locals - Americans and Permanent Residents to apply. Americans are being discriminated in their own county.
We need to pass the Durbin and Grassly Bill - S887
it will make the playing field even again. Americans and Permanent Residents can compete again
There are thousands of highly skilled Americans that are unemployed that are willing to take these jobs. It's about time that we help Americans which helped bail out Wall Street. The American middle class has been devastated by these temporary Guest worker visas that were not meant for immigration purposes. It's about time we help our own American Citizens and local residents instead of bringing in cheap foreign labor. There is no skills shortage just companies that don't want to pay prevailing wages.
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Great article Ben!
- Rumit Kanakia
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